First up this afternoon, we have Jeffrey Tucker, founder of the Brownstone Institute.
Jeffrey is a writer, a publisher, an entrepreneur, and of course a frequent speaker.
In 2020, he helped organize the Great Barrington Declaration, which advocated the lifting
of the COVID-19 restrictions.
He is also Senior Economics Columnist for the Epoch Times and the author of ten books,
including Liberty or Lockdown.
And we are thrilled to have Jeffrey with us today.
The floor is yours.
Thank you, I have to think about that far together, alone, fast thing.
I don't know, maybe that works, I don't know.
Well it's very nice to be with you today.
We obviously have a lot we could talk about.
I think the title of my session is something like Life After Lockdowns.
I have a book coming out in about six weeks about the same title, Life After Lockdowns.
And I don't like long books.
I don't.
But there was no way I could do anything but make this book 450 pages.
Sorry about that.
You got it clearly.
What book?
Yeah, that's a publisher, that's a hard question, but yeah, some other time.
So everything changed in 2020 and I'm glad to see now there's growing recognition of
this fact.
I mean how can anybody deny it?
We thought the world was more or less functioning in place, flawed, a lot of problems, things
to be fixed.
We didn't know that the mechanisms that allow something to be fixed had themselves been
broken.
Like we didn't know, speaking for myself possibly, just how broken the world was going into what
happened from March 2020 onward.
Just last night I was so puzzled because I read an article I had written March 16, 2020.
And it said, well, that ended as quickly as it began.
What could I have been thinking?
So I reread the piece and it's absolutely strange.
What had happened is that our beloved Lord and Master Anthony Fauci had written an article
which he had corrected the previous claims that the infection fatality rate of SARS-CoV-2
was three and four percent as the World Health Organization told us a month earlier and said
it's going to be a little more in line with 1957, 58, 68, 69, of bad flu years, that's
what he says.
I otherwise pointed out that the main vulnerable populations were the elderly and infirm.
And I had read that article and thought, thank God, the guy everybody is listening to is
finally making some sense.
Now we will, I said this in an article, now we will course correct and put everything
back like it was.
And then we'll have to scramble to figure out who did this to us, who made such a mess
of the world.
Again, April 16, 2020, who did this, how they destroy so many things, demoralized, kept
schools out, kids out of school for a full month?
Can you imagine?
So I'm saying these kinds of things.
And basically declaring that the great experiment lockdowns was now over.
I was April 16, 2020.
I read this with my eyes popping out, like how could I have been so naive, so foolish
as to believe that there would be some relationship between the information we get and the things
we do.
And I realized the mistake I made is that I thought that the world still worked, that
it still functioned like we always thought it did.
Whereas it turned out that that wasn't true.
Because of course, as we know, March or April 16, 2020 was just the beginning.
And a lot more had broken than even I had known.
I thought there was disease panic in the air, and that was the beginning and the end of
it.
Madness of crowds, there's histories full of times when people have great fears and
do terrible things to the world, and they snap out of it and go back to the old thing.
I didn't realize that there was a lot more going on here, a lot more.
And my life has been consumed entirely ever since, trying to figure out what that is.
And what's been strange about it is that the more I know, the more I realize I don't know.
So in a sense, I know less now than I did four years ago, even though I know vastly more.
Because I don't know what the right metaphor is, the rabbit who, which is a whole rabbit
jumps in, it just keeps getting deeper and deeper and deeper, and it's terrifying.
Just to illustrate how bad this is, the hardly a day goes by where I don't bump into something
that I had not fully, that I previously had sort of internalized as the news of the day,
which now I'm realizing there's something wrong.
And I'll just give you an example that happened just yesterday, and this is my life getting
distracted by this nonsense.
Do you remember in the early days when life was normal, and then suddenly everybody's
screaming that there was an invisible enemy everywhere, and you're going to, if it gets
anywhere near you, you've got a very strong chance of dying instantly, and so the world
freaked out.
But you couldn't find out if you had it or not, and this was because there weren't tests
available.
This is a weird window, and somebody who knows about this can correct me, but I'm imagining
that this window went from, let's say, the first week of March to about mid-April of
2020.
That was a period in which people wanted to know if they have the great coronavirus,
but couldn't find out because we didn't have tests.
What happened was the CDC had, forbid, the many, many private labs in this country from
producing their own tests, said, no, no, we've got this covered, you can't do your own testing,
we'll take care of it, and then their tests failed.
The CDC distributed tests and discovered that it had a one-third false negative rate, that
they were faulty tests because they had done some mix wrong, I don't understand all the
chemical elements here, but it's an elemental error, it's just silly.
The FDA sent somebody to the CDC to find out what had gone wrong, because there's never
any accountability for this.
Scott Godley, who we all know is a man of great credibility, wrote a book about this
in which he says, well, it's just a typical bureaucratic foul up.
Well, very interesting, and maybe it was.
The government screws up a lot, but it so happened that this particular foul up did
two critical things.
One is it left us in an epistemological vortex of nothingness, nihilism, for the better part
of six weeks during a mass panic.
We wanted desperate knowledge.
Who has this bad disease?
Do I have this bad disease?
How many people have this bad disease, and the answer was, we don't know, and we cannot
find out.
Now, does that increase in intensified panic?
Yeah, it does, and that's what characterized those first few weeks after lockdown.
Nobody knew anything, which is interesting, because it's funny, they were able to find
out exactly who had what on the Diamond Princess boat, and when Tom Hanks and his beloved wife
turned up in Australia and tested positive for COVID, they had tests, but somehow we
didn't have tests in the United States.
And then a Gates Foundation, a lab scientist in Seattle, snuck out some tests and opened
up the private testing things celebrated by the New York Times as a great hero.
So suddenly six weeks later, we had tests.
But the absence of tests did two things.
One is it spread mass panic over who has it, how do I find out if I have it, forget what
are we going to do about it, by the way, nobody talked about that, so what, you test positive,
what do you do then?
Well, better wait for your vaccine, oh yeah, how's that going to help me?
Crazy time.
The second thing it did was it made it impossible to find out how widespread exposure already
was, which was very much to the advantage of the ruling class goal, which was basically
to enact a coup.
And before you start thinking I'm crazy, I can actually make a case, I'm right about
that.
You have to test audiences now.
By the way, if I had heard myself say this five years ago, I would have thought I was
crazy, so just to be clear, I'm actually not crazy.
I used to think I had this fantastic instinct for knowing what was insane and what was worth
believing to be true, I don't care just that anymore.
So when people tell me Taylor Swift is a deep state asset who's plotting to get through
your Biden, I'm like, maybe.
We have a weekly writers group meeting and it drives Lou Eastman crazy because you didn't
come to the supposed reason one, right?
And he said, Jeffery, do you think you're getting ever more conspiratorial?
He said, I'm just waiting for somebody to claim the pizza gate was true.
Well, you know, Lou, you missed the meeting this week.
That actually happened.
So we don't know.
We just have to stay open to all possibilities.
Anyway, back to the testing part.
I'm open to all possibilities.
Was this part of the mapping out of the creation of mass panic?
I don't know.
And I've never seen an article investigating this, which troubles me very, very much.
We lived through four years of this kind of swirling insanity all around us with a constant
barrage of crazy data points falling on our heads.
We no longer know what to think about, forget what's true.
We're not even sure what happened to us.
And it's making us all great.
And there's a dearth of people who are looking into this.
And Lou and I complain about this all the time.
It's like, Brownstone should not have to exist.
And we founded this thing in 2021 to investigate research and learn lessons from what happened
to us, prevent it from happening again, but also to dig out of the current problem, which
has not gone away.
You know, everything that we experienced back in those days is still with us today.
And yet we feel so alone.
I mean, CHD, FLCCC, Brownstone, and a handful of other organizations working on various
other issues concerning free speech or whatever, Merrell Nass with her, you know, pandemic
planning group and some other things.
But you think about the trillions of dollars that are spent on research, on writing, on
think tanks, and forget academia, which proved itself to be utterly completely useless throughout
the greatest crisis of her life.
Where the hell were they?
They were hiding out or lying, part of the problem.
And the think tanks in Washington, forget them.
They were useless to us, silent throughout and still are.
And so all of the old establishment that failed us in 2020, what are they doing now?
They're pretending like it didn't happen.
They're going on as if life is normal.
Life is not normal.
The crisis is ongoing.
And I'm telling you, my friends, if we don't figure this out, like really figure it out,
completely figure it out and have some accountability for what happened, we cannot move forward
with confidence that we are a morally courageous and free, civilized people.
Of that, I'm absolutely certain, and I refuse to let it go.
We cannot let it go.
You've got to keep it going.
So basically, you know, in 2022, when people like Barry White said, I'm over COVID, and
the mainstream media said, you can't be over COVID.
You're supposed to be so afraid of COVID.
She said, I'm just done worrying about it.
Okay.
I think both sides are wrong.
I mean, yeah, be done worrying about the pathogen, but be really worried what was done to you
in the name of government control of the microbial kingdom.
Crazy, right?
And a slight departure on this.
All of our communities with whom we had been previously associated failed us, without
exception.
I mean, the church is closed and said, oh, sure, we can't have, obviously, can't have
Christmas.
What?
The world I knew very well is that, I'm sorry to introduce an arcane term to you, but there's
this word called libertarians, okay?
And they used to claim that they were in favor of freedom, that sort of thing.
And I thought that was a good thing.
So they were sort of my tribe.
Well, where were they?
They were completely silent, completely silent, with the exception of a handful of people,
like our board member, Don Bedro, right?
But not many.
Most of them just completely failed.
Or if you're the K2 Institute, you publish articles justifying lockdowns, tax-funded
vaccine development, indemnification of vaccine companies, masking, and mandatory vaccination.
That's what our glorious libertarian think tank in Washington, DC, did for us in 2020
and 2021.
So mask failure all around.
Well, how long?
Well, let me just back up, sorry.
I have some friends in the UK that were initially against lockdowns and said, this is a very
bad policy of what's happening here.
But over time, the establishment wore them down.
And I talked to them at the time and they became, they said, look, just believe what
the authorities say.
They're telling us true.
Just stop making up your weird conspiracy theories about everything.
Okay.
Well, why do you say that?
Well, the reason I say that is because there is no way, he said, under your narrative,
under your narrative, for at least a year or maybe many years prior, they'd been plotting
to do this to us.
Then it came along and they botched, deliberately botched the testing to panic the population,
a PCR exam test that was massively inaccurate, tested only for the presence of virus, but
not actual sickness, doled out trillions of dollars in subsidies to have all the deaths
misclassified so the population would panic even more so that the hospitals would get
rich.
And the only reason they accepted the subsidies is because you previously bankrupted them
because there was some bad guy in the center of power who closed all the hospitals for
no particular reason, therefore making them financially desperate.
And then in addition to that, the same people who did that had gradually taken control of
all the media and embedded spooks and all the mainstream media and they did the same thing
with digital tech and they bought them off by promising them that they'll make them rich
by causing people, locking people in their homes and they'll buy a bunch of goods from
Amazon and send them to kids to Zoom school to make those guys rich too.
And all of this happened by some centralized scheme and the guy says, I don't believe that
government's that intelligent.
I don't think this happened.
And my response that was, you know, yeah, you've got a good point.
I have a hard time believing that also.
But it's an empirical question, isn't it?
Let's look into it and find out if this really did happen this way.
What I'm telling you, my friends, and it's a terrible truth, I think what I just described
did in fact happen.
It did in fact happen to us.
So yes, most of what the government does is stupid and they can't get their act together
and it's a bunch of bureaucrats doing nothing.
But there is one sliver of the government that is very, I would say, intelligent.
That's why they call themselves that.
It's the intelligence agencies.
They're the ones.
And they did indeed have a plot.
I'm sorry to put it this way, they do.
You know, we talk about who they is all the time.
We've been using that word they did this, they did this, and people say who's they.
It's the intelligent community, intelligence community.
That's who it is.
And yes, it's connected to the world economic forum, and yes, I have embedded employees
in every single tech and media outlet.
There's no reason for me to spend my time trying to argue that, but I will say this,
something very interesting.
Certain things we know for sure.
And by the way, the reason those of us at Brownstone are so closely tied to the facts
and the documents and the data and the disclosures out of courts and the emails, we want proof
because we're skeptical thinkers.
I'm not going to believe the conspiracy theory just because it satisfies the sort of anger
I have.
I want to see the proof.
So we have absolute concrete evidence of the following thing.
In 2018, there was an organization called, founded in Washington, D.C., by legislation
by Congress, called the Cyber Security Infrastructure Security Agency, or SYSTEM.
And as a division of the Department of Homeland Security, the first head of CISA in 2018 was
recruited directly from the National Security Agency, which itself is an outgrowth of the
CIA.
So that tells you a little bit about what CISA was.
When the lockdowns happened, there was one organization, one agency that issued that
great order, and you remember those days, dividing the whole American workforce between
essential and unessential.
They sent out a PDF, and you had to look at it and see which one you were.
And this PDF was sent out to every state government, which in turn distributed to all the human
resources, people who in turn distributed to all the HR departments in corporate America,
which distributed it to the managers, which distributed it to the employees.
And you had to look at the thing to find out if you could go to work or not.
The most unbelievably un-American anti-freedom thing you can possibly imagine to ever happen
in labor economics.
Was the Department of Labor ever asked?
No.
They were never part of this.
It was just CISA, unelected.
Nobody even knows the name of this agency.
It was just founded in 2018, and suddenly they're in charge of the whole of the labor
force deciding who's essential and unessential.
And it was a very strange division too, you remember those days, because the people who
were essential were the people declared to basically kind of keep life going, more or
less.
People who were unessential were, it's like a little reverse of what it seems to be.
The essential workers were, basically they're the people that drop off your groceries at
your front door.
They were considered to be essential workers.
The unessential workers continued to be paid, lots of money, to sit at home and do nothing.
So the professional managerial class was given this vast break and still get paid for it,
so life was good.
But it was like a feudal division, and I'm trying to imagine what these bureaucrats are
thinking in Washington.
Like, well, let's say there's some big emergency, a virus, for example, lab-ly.
Clearly, I would need to stay home because I don't want to get sick, but I would need
some groceries.
Oh, yeah, how do we do that?
Well, we can have somebody drop them off the door, oh, excellent, but where are they going
to get them?
Oh, probably in the stores.
Well, they're probably essential.
Which stores?
Well, I don't know, the big ones.
Well, how are they going to get their food?
Well, see, how do they get them?
They're driven there by trucks.
Ah, okay, that's another essential worker.
Let's make the truckers essential.
It's so on it goes.
But what if my toilet breaks?
Yeah, good point.
Probably better make the plumbers essential, too.
This is the way they really think, and so they divided the whole American workforce
up into this kind of feudal arrangement where the workers and peasants served the professional
managerial class, the upper class, the ruling class, and they did it.
They did it without any votes or any, they just sent out a PDF and it was done.
And it was so bad.
Now, it's true, I lived in one of the worst lockdown areas in the country, Western Massachusetts,
but it was so bad that I had to give my own employees passes to declare themselves essential
just in case we were stopped by the police on the road, because you weren't even sure.
And what was even stranger was, you weren't sure, was this a law?
You know, is it up to me to decide if I'm the center or is there somebody out there
deciding, what if I make the wrong decision?
You know, what are the penalties?
It was never clear, it was all foggy, it felt strange.
Well as time went on, we discovered, gradually, and we know this now, that everything was
instantly censored after March 13th.
We didn't know this at the time, but I felt very alone, like I was posting, this is crazy,
this has got to stop, this is all nonsense, this is insane.
But I felt like nobody agreed with me in some way, you know, there was a sense of, like,
tremendous isolation, that's why these meetings are so important, we can find each other.
I mean, the healing that we need to go through is not just physical, right, it's emotional
and spiritual, but I felt very alone and I didn't understand why, well it turns out
there were many other people with us, we just couldn't hear them.
We hear all the time that, at least from our people, that people were not brave and
did not resist, which is very depressing.
The problem is that it seems as if there were a lot of people that did resist, that did
object, we just didn't know it, and this is deliberate.
And you know what the key organization that was involved with the censorship, right, do
you know the name of it?
It's called the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, the same damn people who
divided the workforce, the same, I don't even know how many people worked there, 200,
something like that.
CISA also ran the censorship, they had employees in every single social media company, they
rewrote all the algorithms to prevent the dissidents from speaking at every level, they
curated the media.
So suddenly, it was very strange, how many of you have seen the movie Big Short, you
know that movie, yeah, right, and so there's this guy, Michael Brewery, right, who was
the, you played by, what's his name?
Christian Bale, yeah, and he's celebrated in the movie as a guy who never believed the
propaganda, exposed the elites, you know, shorted the market, and then got paid, you
know, billions of dollars or whatever.
But I only found out three days ago that he was an original anti-lockdown guy.
So he was posting on social media the day, March 13th, he was saying, this is absurd.
If you look at the data, you can see that this is a, might have been a lab leak, but
the outcome is a normal pathogen with, we have therapeutics to deal with it, hydroxychloricone,
ivermectin, other things, and the main vulnerable population is the Asian firm.
The idea you would lock down the entire society is catastrophic, you're going to destroy the
markets all over the world, demoralize people forever, we're going to see a mass increase
in suicides and substance abuse, and everything else, you're ruining society, he's saying
this in the middle of March.
Now you would think, now here's a guy who's an acknowledged prophet, a guy who called
2008, we were told for years, be more like Michael Burry, be a skeptic, look at the data,
look beneath the propaganda, see what's going on.
And he joined Twitter totally to fight this.
Was he ever interviewed?
No, he was never on CNN, never went on MSNBC, he was never on NPR to ask his views.
Even though he was an acknowledged expert, a guy who, a medical doctor, who could look
at the data and had a track record, instead we had a constant barrage of crazy fake experts
about whom we had never heard anything, who had no track record whatsoever, they were
called epidemiologists, why?
Because they hung out in universities for longer than 10 years, and finally somebody
got rid of them by giving them a PhD, they plagiarized a bunch of shit, and they got
a good job, that's it, and they had weird names, we never even heard of these people,
who are you, and why are you talking to me, Sudra Yamaara, whatever her name is, right?
She was on the air constantly, we need to mask up, lock down, get to zero COVID, oh thank
you Professor, you're a brilliant person, we never heard of these people, nobody ever
bothered, do you have a track record, you know, what's your history of previously called,
boy if you looked into the history, Fauci got AIDS wrong, and who's that guy, I'm so bad
with names, it goes with direction dislocation, who's that, who said that, you know exactly
what I'm saying before I say it, don't you, yeah, not for it, now Fergus has a long history
of getting everything wrong, and instead the entire world, listen to the guy, why did we
do this, it's crazy, the guy was an acknowledged failure, not an expert, but a fraud, instead
he was paraded all over the world, Mr. Trump got bad news from Niall Ferguson, who's that,
well he's a big epidemiologist in the UK, and he's got some models here, which he reduced
to this graph, which is that you have to destroy the economy, or else all these people are
going to be dead and it's going to be your fault, wow, well, you say he has a British accent,
yeah, well he must be right, so that's where we were, that's where we were, I've been writing
about pandemic lockdowns and controls since 2005, because if you go back to those times,
there was a thing called the avian bird flu, do you remember that thing, and it turned out,
you know, at the end of the day, the avian bird flu only killed aged and infirmed chickens,
and never made its way over to the gender population, but they had plotted lockdowns
in those days too, so I've been writing about this, that's why I was so sensitive to this,
so I knew the plans were in place, I never really imagined that it would actually ever happen,
but they did it, and they lied, and we're still trying to figure it all out, and it's terrible.
So just a few points on how much was affected, and to what extent, you know,
religious participation is massively down in this country, because we shut the churches,
and a lot of AA meetings were in churches in those days, and AA is a really important group
for helping people maintain sobriety, and they shut all the AA meetings down and made them all
go to Zoom, so a lot of people just turned back to their old ways and disappeared.
We now know about the suicides and so on, right, I mean it's really bad, we have stories,
very difficult stories that pour into us daily at Brownstone, I feel such a profound sense of
responsibility, because our emails are constant. Drew Brownstone, in the winter of 2020, my son,
who was a chess champion, and a hockey player, lost all sense of purpose and meaning in life,
and I found him dead in his room. He was having problems, but so was everybody. We tried to
counsel him, but there were problems everywhere. I had other parents groups, they were having
problems, I didn't imagine my son would just, alright, kill himself, but he did, and I'm mad.
I don't know why I'm writing you, but I just feel like I want to tell you.
When you respond, how do you respond? God bless you, sad about your loss, you and millions of
others will fight for you. We'll do what we can to find out the truth, get some accountability,
but there will never really be justice. There is only sadness and harm. We cannot get back what we
lost. We can only learn and internalize and fight, fight for truth, fight for morality and decency
and humane values. Again, that's all we can do. I think the main area that I did not understand,
which I'm guessing most of you in this room understood, was that in the end, the people who
were driving this plot against humanity, it's not just a deep state, but pharmaceutical companies.
That I never would have believed. I never would have believed it, because when I heard that there
was a vaccine coming for this terrible pathogen, I dismissed it instantly. Why? Because I had read
Virology for Demi's. There's never been a vaccine for a coronavirus. It mutates too quickly. It can't
work. I mean, at best, it's going to be a temporary therapeutic, but then even that introduces
dangers of rewiring the immune system and making it more vulnerable to other pathogens. You don't
want to muck with a virus like that. Also, doing this can cause mutations that wouldn't exist in
nature at a much faster pace. To attempt to vaccinate your way out of a respiratory pandemic is
impossible, and it's likely going to make it worse. I knew this as an economist. I knew this by
reading viruses and immunology for dummies, a book I downloaded on Amazon, and then I read,
just to make sure, a first-year medical text and viruses embedded. I was certain of this, so I
dismissed it. I dismissed the whole thing as being, well, we did something stupid we locked down,
and now the world's trying to find an exit ramp, like an end game, some way to save face. We're
going to distribute this crazy potion, but it's going to be innocuous and stupid and not do anything.
I just thought it was a big waste. It wasn't going to mount to anything. I never would have imagined
first that that was the whole point of the lockdown. It was to wait for the vaccine. That was the
reason we suffered, was because they wanted to prepare us for the shot, and I never would
imagine that the shot itself would have had such a damaging effect, and that the purpose of the
shot was to test out a new technology that otherwise couldn't get approved by the FDA. That's
some pretty dark stuff, and there was no way in my own mind that I ever could have imagined that such
dark forces had seized control of the world. I never could have imagined such a thing, and I'm
glad I didn't know then, because I don't know what I would have done. I feel like it's merciful
that I only gradually came to discover this, and I'm very grateful to RFK's book for alerting me
to a lot of the first books, The Real Anthony Fauci, and the most recent book, if you haven't
got it yet, it's called the Wuhan Google Coverup. Yeah, it's an absolutely brilliant book, and
his first book is just a kind of a dump of all known research. The second one's much more clear.
It's a gripping read from the first to the last. It'll alarm you because you realize what happened
in 2020 was the culmination of many, many decades. Okay, so we've got a problem. We've got major
problems. I'm going to open it up for questions, but I'm going to mention, I couldn't think of a
fifth area, or I couldn't limit it to three, so I'm going to say four, which is very imbalanced.
When you give a talk, you never want to give four points. You always make it three or five. I'm
going to give four points. The big problems we face right now, we have working groups on two of
them, and working on the other two. The first one concerns pandemic planning, because the lessons
that this trillion dollar industry has learned from this, you know what they are? They say, well,
we made mistakes. We made mistakes, and they come down to three. We had, didn't have enough
communication. Okay, so this is always bullshit, right? Always bullshit. If you're in a corporate
meeting, and somebody says, we know our problem is we don't have enough communication. Everybody
goes, yeah, good point. Good point. Never enough communication. So that's something you can all
agree with, never enough communication. It's always communication problem. We have a problem in
communication. There must have been a communication problem. Oh, I agree. The second one is
coordination. Oh, that's another excellent point. You know, you can never have enough coordination.
I mean, nobody was discoordination. You always want coordination, so we should always have more
coordination. That's another big feeling that they grant. And the third one is not enough
centralization. It was just all over the place. Arkansas did this, South Korea did that, Texas
that. Who can keep this straight? We can't have that kind of system. Sweden did this, Angola did
that. You know, South Korea did this. We've got to have one plan for the world. This is what
they think. It's called the pandemic planning industry. This thing is out of control, and it's
spending trillions of dollars, and it's got plots to do it again, but worse. Intensify every
aspect. If you hated what happened, they're going to do it again. This is a pandemic plan. We've
got a study group dedicated to that at Brownstone. They've got it funded. It's not enough funding,
but I've got it funded, and we're doing very important research. I can tell you about it,
but I'm not going to. The second one is censorship. This is a major problem. They want to take over.
They want to stop our ability to use the internet to communicate with each other and release
information that has an effect on the public mind. They want us to be in a world that is fully
controlled, and they can do it. They've done it in China. They're getting there in Europe, and
they want to do it to the United States too. So there's some pushback, but I can tell you this
at that loss, it's not going to fix this problem. It's major. So we've got a working group on
censorship too. There are people who have access to all the Twitter files. We know where all the
bodies are. We know everything. We're releasing that gradually. The third one is concerns and
money, because all of this is connected to the central bank dental currency. If they can give us
the central bank digital currency, which they will, they're going to try, and they're on the way.
It's a foregone conclusion. They won't need to fire guns. They won't need to send out the cops to
keep you in your home. They can just shut off your ability to live unless you comply. This is the
goal. We've got to stop this. So that's three big areas. The fourth area is the crucial thing, and
it speaks to the issue of democracy and freedom and the ability. The idea that comes out of the
Enlightenment, that the people should have some measure of control over the rules under which we
live, that there should be some relationship between the government and the people that is a kind of
give and take communicative system, more communication, more coordination. They don't want
that. The administrative apparatus that's been gradually built up over many decades wants full
total control forever. Autonomy, no oversight by the people, no oversight by the elected leaders.
What happened in 2020 was essentially a coup against the elected governments of the world,
in favor of the administrative state apparatus. That's what actually happened. It's humiliating
for the elected leaders. That's why they don't talk about it, but it happened. We've got to destroy
the administrative state. I don't know how to explain it. It's got to be destroyed.
I don't know how you do that, and we have no historical examples of an administrative state
in an industrialized democracy being uprooted. We don't know what that looks like. We don't
even know how to do it. We have the ambition. We don't know the mechanisms, but we better figure
it out right away. Do you have time for questions? We have very little time. We have 12 minutes until
the next program. I'm going to stop there. I really wanted to leave for questions,
but I got carried away. Why don't we just open it up? Is it okay?
Open it up for questions? Absolutely. We can do it for five minutes, but we need the mic,
folks. Tanya has the mic right there. Thank you for your insights, and I appreciate your articles
very much. Thank you. Yes, sir. The way I would characterize what happened, we have a pandemic
of toxins, and we have a pandemic of pathogenic toxins and psychogenic toxins. Which one do you
think is worse in terms of the lethality of it? I'm not a doctor, so I can't really answer that.
Was that a trick question? No, no. I guess my point is we're talking about
some of the thinking about the implications of the pandemic from a psychological point of view.
I tend to agree with that. It was an article about cold insanity in the new PTSD. It was the most
modern. Oh, sure. Our fundamental problems are philosophical. We definitely need some sort of
cultural commitment to freedom and human rights, so that seems to have vanished.
I didn't know it was as bad as it was, and I don't even know what that means to get this cultural
consensus. I'm not even here preaching the answers, but all I can do is I think we all just have to
do our best in whatever way we can in our little neck of the woods. To help people come to terms
of what happened, PTSD is exactly it. I read a journal article that said the effects of
post-lockdowns compared to PTSD. Yeah, it makes sense. We have time for two more. I'm so sorry,
I spoke too long. That's all right, no. Good stuff. I'm curious if you're really James Corbett's work?
Yeah.
Yeah, no. Dr. Nash is fascinating about all that stuff. We work very closely with her.
Quick point. I don't think you're going to stop it as long as they've taken
the value out of the money, it's all just money on money, and as long as they get to essentially
You have to speak into the mic. You have to speak into the mic. Don't hold it out here.
As long as they essentially get to print the funds that they need to enact all of these programs,
it's just going to continue, whereas if you actually put the value back in money and you
actually have to earn it, all of this bureaucracy is going to disappear.
Certainly true. The Federal Reserve is the whole reason that this
lockdowns were perpetuated. They created about five, eight trillion dollars.
Without the money, the lockdowns would have ended right away.
Last question.
I'm thinking of your dark portrayal of the thing, and I agree 100%, and I'm right away jumping to
what can we do. I'm a tax accountant. We have a massive tax revolt. What do you think of that?
Well, tax revolts are a problem because generally you get in trouble for not paying your taxes.
If you have too many, but that's a problem. It's just like being at a stadium when everybody's
standing up and you get tired of standing up. You're like, if you'd all just sit down,
we'd all be more comfortable. You could see just as much, but it's impossible to control the crowds.
This is the problem with great tax revolt schemes, but of course, that would be wonderful.
They gave us stimuluses and took it all away in the form of inflation. That was completed
about eight months ago. It's all stimuluses have gone inflated away. Now the Biden administration
has hired 75,000 new tax collectors. They're coming after every one of you, all of us.
There's one more here, and then that's got to be it.
What are your thoughts on the teachers union and how much power they show during this pandemic?
Yeah, it was a remarkable thing. They just love staying home, right? And they wanted it to last
as long as possible. Same is true for New York Times reporters. I had a fascinating discussion
with the New York Times reporter. He said, you know, initially we wanted to celebrate
lockdowns. We figured we'd destroy Trump, but then people really liked it's not having to commute
to work. So we try to keep it going on as long as possible. I said, that's your explanation
of the New York Times? Yeah, that's a pretty pathetic world. Thank you so much for coming.
Thank you. Thank you for being with us. Are you going to be around or you have to race off?
